[xquery-talk] Izzit Bcos I is functional?

[Ihe Onwuka]

I still think you are wildly over-estimating this.

Here is the Purdue course. XQuery|Path gets 1 slide in 1 lecture

https://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/ake/cs348/XMLLec1.ppt

At UCL the only time I recall XML being mentioned was in the context of
setting up an Ant files in the 2nd year Programming course.

Databases in general only merited 1/3 of a course
http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/teaching_learning/syllabus/undergrad/2008_logic_and_database_theory/

There is a 3rd year Databases and MIS course which may well offer more the
type of coverage you are suggesting but that is an elective.

There is also this https://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/taught/pg/INSTG037 that does
the full XML monty, but that is a PG diploma course and it is not run out
of CS.

Ironically about 10 years ago UCL was the source of  alot of XML related
research especially for the financial markets.


NB It is also a big part of the BCS Advanced Databases curriculum but again
that course is not mandatory.




On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 6:21 PM, daniela florescu <dflorescu at me.com> wrote:

>
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> I'm not sure about that. I know Harvard does but that is part of a web
> programming course.
>
>
> http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-830-database-systems-fall-2010/readings/
>
> http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/civil-and-environmental-engineering/1-264j-database-internet-and-systems-integration-technologies-fall-2013/lecture-notes-exercises/
>
>
> Look inside the slides of the database classes… you’ll see XQuery almost
> everywhere (at the end of the class…).
>
> Especially that Stanford does it, and most database professors copy the
> slides from Stanford.
>
> https://lagunita.stanford.edu/courses/DB/XPath/SelfPaced/courseware/ch-querying_xml/seq-vid-xquery_introduction/
>
> (not that the Stanford professors understand much from XML and XQuery …
> but that’s a whole new discussion…)
>
>
>
> MIT doesn't, neither does either of the universities I went to.
>
>
> That’s because Stonebreaker is there, and he wouldn’t be caught dead
> teaching XML. I’ll see if I can make him change his mind
> about JSON…. :-)
>
> The fact that sir TBL is in MIT too doesn’t help at all either, given the
> fact that he was “convinced” by a bunch of good willing people that XML is
> evil. (and the semantic web will cure the hunger of the world and the
> cancer for sure…)
>
>
>
>
> What are they. Alot of the ones I have read aren't true and seem to be
> based on a lack of knowledge about XML
>
>
> I think I KNOW something about XML — not that I enjoyed learning it, but I
> HAD to :-)
>
> Want a quick list ? processing instructions, weirdo parsing rules that are
> inherited from the 1950’s SGML, weirdo design
> of namespaces, XML Schema anyone !? nillable anyone !? Some early design
> of Xpath 1.0 (no reserved keywords, semantics of =)
>  I’ll stop here.
>
> Only those and that would stop me (as a database person) right there to
> use XML as a format for data.
>
>
> Y'see I reckon that if JSON was deployed in many of the domains where XML
> is, it too would be hated.
>
>
> Yes, but less.
>
> People would STILL have to face the fact that they cannot process JSON
> with their beloved SQL…. but at least they wouldn’t
> add insult to injury by adding the weird things I listed above.
>
> The bitter pill would be somehow easier to swallow.
>
> The database people accept with open arms JSOn right now because they
> don’t REALLY understand what JSON is.
>
> Most of them still look at JSON as a nicer syntax then CSV…..they think
> it’s flat, or a “little” nested.
>
> The shock will hit them later on :-))))
>
> Best regards
> Dana
>
>
>
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