From jhunter at servlets.com  Mon Sep  5 23:20:25 2016
From: jhunter at servlets.com (Jason Hunter)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 14:20:25 +0800
Subject: [xquery-talk] Testing after a server migration
Message-ID: <6EAF003A-2CA7-4EAF-AAEF-1D961DD95641@servlets.com>

Just checking all's in order.

-jh-


From joewiz at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 20:10:27 2016
From: joewiz at gmail.com (Joe Wicentowski)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:10:27 -0400
Subject: [xquery-talk] Fwd: New F+O 3.1 draft
In-Reply-To: <E45026EC-1C4E-4F9F-9398-85EC0A70C663@saxonica.com>
References: <E45026EC-1C4E-4F9F-9398-85EC0A70C663@saxonica.com>
Message-ID: <CAHwerk1n9L6fF8AAfOt3zX7UZa=5aguiQf7iGC22BeFFnsc4Jg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,

I hope this is an acceptable forum to raise a question regarding your
post to public-xsl-query, since I think non-WG members can't post to
that list.

map:find() seems like a very convenient new function.  It gives us the
equivalent of the descendant-or-self axis for maps, which is really
going to simplify querying maps.  My question:

Has the WG considered a ?? operator or some such shortcut for
map:find(), to correspond to the abbreviated syntax for the
descendant-or-self axis, (//)?  For example:

```
let $inventory := map{"name":"car", "id":"QZ123", "parts":
[map{name":"engine", "id":"YW678", "parts":[]}]}
return
   $inventory??parts
    (: same as map:find($inventory, 'parts') :)
```

Not necessary, but it seems in the spirit of other syntax
abbreviations like ?* (similar to /*).

Incidentally, searching the spec to see if this was already discussed
(it isn't) led me to a possible typo.  In
https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html#regex-syntax

> Reluctant quantifiers are supported. They are indicated by a " ? " following a quantifier. Specifically:
> X?? matches X, once or not at all

Shouldn't the second question mark be deleted?  "X?" should suffice
for "X, once or not at all."

Joe

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Kay <mike at saxonica.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 6:37 PM
Subject: New F+O 3.1 draft
To: Public Joint XSLT XQuery XPath <public-xsl-query at w3.org>


I have committed a new F+O draft (dated 6 September) which
incorporates most of the changes agreed today.

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html#func-map-find

It includes a proposed spec for map:find(): please review this.

I have also committed some tests for map:find().

Michael Kay
Saxonica

From joewiz at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 13:14:37 2016
From: joewiz at gmail.com (Joe Wicentowski)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 15:14:37 -0500
Subject: [xquery-talk] Question about a QT3 test
Message-ID: <CAHwerk0M=u=evWjxM_zA=1BFvh=7-FQZK-x4wifkO++bgVdqUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm looking at the QT3 tests and trying to understand by what
mechanism this expression

  fn:collection('http://www.w3.org/2010/09/qt-fots-catalog/integers')

...  is supposed to return

   (1 to 10)

This is test case cbcl-collection-002 in
qt3/2011/QT3-test-suite/fn/collection.xml.  I've pasted the full test
case in below.

Thanks!
Joe

```
   <test-case name="cbcl-collection-002" covers="fn-collection">
      <description> test fn:collection with non-node collection.</description>
      <created by="Tim Mills" on="2016-08-19"/>
      <environment ref="integer-collection"/>
      <dependency type="spec" value="XQ31+"/>
      <test>fn:collection('http://www.w3.org/2010/09/qt-fots-catalog/integers')</test>
      <result>
         <assert-deep-eq>(1 to 10)</assert-deep-eq>
         <assert-type>xs:integer+</assert-type>
      </result>
   </test-case>
```

From joewiz at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 12:18:36 2016
From: joewiz at gmail.com (Joe Wicentowski)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 15:18:36 -0400
Subject: [xquery-talk] Testing after a server migration
In-Reply-To: <6EAF003A-2CA7-4EAF-AAEF-1D961DD95641@servlets.com>
References: <6EAF003A-2CA7-4EAF-AAEF-1D961DD95641@servlets.com>
Message-ID: <CAHwerk297FAg9Y1WwMa8EyqQbpf0XnXhtsthqCibz3DkXm6ODA@mail.gmail.com>

Jason,

I can confirm that I received your email to xquery-talk.  Many thanks to
you and your team for getting the list back up and running!

Hi again, all!

I assume the two postings I sent to the list earlier this month have now
been delivered, but just in case, here is a link to the September archive:
http://x-query.com/pipermail/talk/2016-September/thread.html.  (It appears
there were no messages sent to the list in August.)

My first posting was a question about map:find():
http://x-query.com/pipermail/talk/2016-September/005121.html

The second was a question about a test in the QT3 test suite:
http://x-query.com/pipermail/talk/2016-September/005122.html.

Joe

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:20 AM, Jason Hunter <jhunter at servlets.com> wrote:

> Just checking all's in order.
>
> -jh-
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://x-query.com/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From joewiz at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 12:27:23 2016
From: joewiz at gmail.com (Joe Wicentowski)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 15:27:23 -0400
Subject: [xquery-talk] New F+O 3.1 draft
In-Reply-To: <CAHwerk1n9L6fF8AAfOt3zX7UZa=5aguiQf7iGC22BeFFnsc4Jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E45026EC-1C4E-4F9F-9398-85EC0A70C663@saxonica.com>
	<CAHwerk1n9L6fF8AAfOt3zX7UZa=5aguiQf7iGC22BeFFnsc4Jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHwerk1J9+PP6NKLsBj-h_vJ3NA6sYEK5gKRUsUGPB=S+FvXFA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael and all,

While my first question about map:find() is still one I'm interested
to discuss, I withdraw my second question - since Michael kindly
helped me understand the error in my thinking; see
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29817.  (I posted this
to the bug tracker when I thought this list was dead.)

Best,
Joe

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Joe Wicentowski <joewiz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I hope this is an acceptable forum to raise a question regarding your
> post to public-xsl-query, since I think non-WG members can't post to
> that list.
>
> map:find() seems like a very convenient new function.  It gives us the
> equivalent of the descendant-or-self axis for maps, which is really
> going to simplify querying maps.  My question:
>
> Has the WG considered a ?? operator or some such shortcut for
> map:find(), to correspond to the abbreviated syntax for the
> descendant-or-self axis, (//)?  For example:
>
> ```
> let $inventory := map{"name":"car", "id":"QZ123", "parts":
> [map{name":"engine", "id":"YW678", "parts":[]}]}
> return
>    $inventory??parts
>     (: same as map:find($inventory, 'parts') :)
> ```
>
> Not necessary, but it seems in the spirit of other syntax
> abbreviations like ?* (similar to /*).
>
> Incidentally, searching the spec to see if this was already discussed
> (it isn't) led me to a possible typo.  In
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html#regex-syntax
>
>> Reluctant quantifiers are supported. They are indicated by a " ? " following a quantifier. Specifically:
>> X?? matches X, once or not at all
>
> Shouldn't the second question mark be deleted?  "X?" should suffice
> for "X, once or not at all."
>
> Joe
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Michael Kay <mike at saxonica.com>
> Date: Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 6:37 PM
> Subject: New F+O 3.1 draft
> To: Public Joint XSLT XQuery XPath <public-xsl-query at w3.org>
>
>
> I have committed a new F+O draft (dated 6 September) which
> incorporates most of the changes agreed today.
>
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html#func-map-find
>
> It includes a proposed spec for map:find(): please review this.
>
> I have also committed some tests for map:find().
>
> Michael Kay
> Saxonica

From liam at w3.org  Tue Sep 13 16:34:58 2016
From: liam at w3.org (Liam R. E. Quin)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:34:58 -0400
Subject: [xquery-talk] Fwd: New F+O 3.1 draft
In-Reply-To: <CAHwerk1n9L6fF8AAfOt3zX7UZa=5aguiQf7iGC22BeFFnsc4Jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E45026EC-1C4E-4F9F-9398-85EC0A70C663@saxonica.com>
	<CAHwerk1n9L6fF8AAfOt3zX7UZa=5aguiQf7iGC22BeFFnsc4Jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1473809698.19784.71.camel@w3.org>

On Wed, 2016-09-07 at 23:10 -0400, Joe Wicentowski wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> I hope this is an acceptable forum to raise a question regarding your
> post to public-xsl-query, since I think non-WG members can't post to
> that list.

Correct, it's read-only I'm afraid. We have to be careful because of
intellectual property and "submarine patents". The public-xsl-query
list is for people who are participants in the Working Group and who
have signed the necessary disclaimers.

You can register comments on the spec via bugzilla, as you discovered.
Posting here is fine too.

We don't want to make it difficult for people to post comments -
originally the xsl-query list was private, so it was easier for people
to find the public ways to comment before finding xsl-query.

Are you implementing?

Liam

W3C participant for XQuery and administrative contact

-- 
Liam R. E. Quin <liam at w3.org>
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

From joewiz at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 17:49:50 2016
From: joewiz at gmail.com (Joe Wicentowski)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:49:50 -0400
Subject: [xquery-talk] Testing after a server migration
In-Reply-To: <3c0917f0-eec7-f8a8-f8c7-9e1f56817b51@benibela.de>
References: <6EAF003A-2CA7-4EAF-AAEF-1D961DD95641@servlets.com>
	<3c0917f0-eec7-f8a8-f8c7-9e1f56817b51@benibela.de>
Message-ID: <CAHwerk2xFmRC9t1dRJLpUxtgniBv2k4z3RbcnCuDXk59wMrMKw@mail.gmail.com>

> i have not been able to post to this list for perhaps years

I got your post about Xidel 0.9.4 in June, Benito.  The list went
offline sometime in July or August.

From mike at saxonica.com  Wed Sep 14 01:23:34 2016
From: mike at saxonica.com (Michael Kay)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:23:34 +0100
Subject: [xquery-talk] Question about a QT3 test
In-Reply-To: <CAHwerk0M=u=evWjxM_zA=1BFvh=7-FQZK-x4wifkO++bgVdqUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHwerk0M=u=evWjxM_zA=1BFvh=7-FQZK-x4wifkO++bgVdqUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEADBBF1-3FC8-465F-9D91-9549837CF358@saxonica.com>

The test has a reference to the environment integer-collection which is defined like this:

  <environment name="integer-collection">
      <collection uri="http://www.w3.org/2010/09/qt-fots-catalog/integers">
         <query>1 to 10</query>
      </collection>
   </environment>

The specification of what can appear here, and what it means, is partly in the user documentation (directory "guide") and partly in the catalog.xsd schema; though like all documentation, it's not always up to date.

Michael Kay
Saxonica


> On 8 Sep 2016, at 21:14, Joe Wicentowski <joewiz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm looking at the QT3 tests and trying to understand by what
> mechanism this expression
> 
>  fn:collection('http://www.w3.org/2010/09/qt-fots-catalog/integers')
> 
> ...  is supposed to return
> 
>   (1 to 10)
> 
> This is test case cbcl-collection-002 in
> qt3/2011/QT3-test-suite/fn/collection.xml.  I've pasted the full test
> case in below.
> 
> Thanks!
> Joe
> 
> ```
>   <test-case name="cbcl-collection-002" covers="fn-collection">
>      <description> test fn:collection with non-node collection.</description>
>      <created by="Tim Mills" on="2016-08-19"/>
>      <environment ref="integer-collection"/>
>      <dependency type="spec" value="XQ31+"/>
>      <test>fn:collection('http://www.w3.org/2010/09/qt-fots-catalog/integers')</test>
>      <result>
>         <assert-deep-eq>(1 to 10)</assert-deep-eq>
>         <assert-type>xs:integer+</assert-type>
>      </result>
>   </test-case>
> ```
> _______________________________________________
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