[xquery-talk] not sure if I should laugh with big tears or cry with big tears...:-)))))

[daniela florescu]

Guess what !???

I think I’m not that bad at guessing  :-))) I won the lollipop :-)) At least half of it !:-)))

http://www.couchbase.com/press-releases/couchbase-introduces-n1ql-breakthrough-query-language

In a couple of days we’ll see the MarkLogic announcement :-))

I bet another lollipop on it !

:-))

Dana


> On Jun 3, 2015, at 7:50 PM, daniela florescu <dflorescu at me.com> wrote:
> 
> What I think will happen is the following:
> 
> 1. ISO will look at them like they are crazy when they send a language specification in Powerpoint
> 
> 2. They’ll scratch  their heads and probable write SOMETHING that ( kind of ) makes sense
> 
> 3. That SOMETHING written up will extend (some bastardized subset of) SQL
> 
> 4. In the process, they forget that SQL in 2015 looks like THIS :-))))))))
> http://savage.net.au/SQL/sql-99.bnf.html <http://savage.net.au/SQL/sql-99.bnf.html>
> (good luck, guys!!!!   You complain that extending XQuery is hard. Well, try THIS then :-)  Ha, Ha, Ha …..))
> 
> 5. That SOMETHING will look just like SQL-XML,. which disappeared in the hole it came from... as soon as it was on print….
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL/XML <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL/XML>
> 
> 6. They will pay a lot of “bloggers” to convince gullible people that SQL is the perfect “query” language 
> for semi-structured data. YES. But only if you have negative IQ and have no idea about semi-structured data.
> (unfortunately there are lots of those)
> 
> Some of those guys already argue with me (very annoyingly to be honest, and without ANY knowledge of databases) on Linkedin
> (if those companies choose people to argue with me… at least choose someone who can hold a scientific argument with me…. at least 
> make it a little fun for me….please …..)
> 
> As an example, please check this:
> https://www.linkedin.com/grp/post/54257-6010072547398336516 <https://www.linkedin.com/grp/post/54257-6010072547398336516>
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> 
> And I just told you my best guess. It’s nothing then a simple “hunch”, without any proof to it.
> 
> The three companies that “make" this N1QL a success are: CouchDB, MarkLogic and Oracle. 
> 
> I worked long enough at Oracle to recognize the “touch” of stupid politics, in top of a basis of bad technology.
> And MarkLogic, given their executive people are only coming from Oracle, is likely to behave the same.
> 
> And I right, guys ???  Oracle ? MarkLogic ?   Any comments ?
> 
> ======================
> 
> Did I tell you, guys  ???  I LOVE guess games …. :-)))))))
> 
> I enjoy them !!!!!
> 
> Bring some more !!!!
> 
> Have a great evening everybody,
> Dana
> 
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> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ihe Onwuka <ihe.onwuka at gmail.com <mailto:ihe.onwuka at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> All that effort into designing a language that has no published specification, will almost certainly never be a published standard and therefore no financial institution will be prepared to pay a N1QL for.
>> 
>> Stupid is as Stupid Does.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:15 PM, daniela florescu <dflorescu at me.com <mailto:dflorescu at me.com>> wrote:
>> I guess I should cry with big tears…and not laugh at all.
>> 
>> Even smart people like Kurt Cagle would like to see this “inexact science language”  (because there are two kinds of
>>  sciences, one exact, and one inexact…..)   standardized as ISO ….
>> 
>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/n1ql-couchbase-brings-sql-json-kurt-cagle <https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/n1ql-couchbase-brings-sql-json-kurt-cagle>
>> 
>> The world is weird.
>> 
>> Dana
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2015, at 8:38 PM, daniela florescu <dflorescu at me.com <mailto:dflorescu at me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I copy and paste here from Linkedin my conversation with one of the top 
>>> scientists of on of the top NoSQL databases: Couchbase….
>>> 
>>> "Please consider real world deployments, not academic endeavors....This is still an inexact science” :-))))))))
>>> 
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dana,
>>> 
>>> Please consider real world deployments, not academic endeavors....This is still an inexact science.
>>> 
>>> On 6/2/15, 10:38 AM, Daniela Florescu wrote: 
>>> --------------------
>>> Dear,
>>> 
>>> you have a query language implemented, and you have no specification written for it !???
>>> 
>>> That's weird to say the least.
>>> 
>>> I never heard of a programming language (because a query language is a programming language...), whose specification is only in Powerpoint.
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I don't have time.
>>> 
>>> If you have a specification written, please send it to me, and I'll give you an honest feedback.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> Dana
>>> 
>>> On 6/2/15, 10:33 AM, XXXXl wrote: 
>>> --------------------
>>> Daniela,
>>> 
>>> Couchbase Connect 15 going on this week at Levis Stadium in Santa Clara. You should check it out. We are talking up our query language N!QL.
>>> 
>>> http://www.cvent.com/events/couchbase-connect-15/event-summary-b7744ca960364b75aba41de42cbef19e.aspx <https://www.linkedin.com/redir/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecvent%2Ecom%2Fevents%2Fcouchbase-connect-15%2Fevent-summary-b7744ca960364b75aba41de42cbef19e%2Easpx&urlhash=3ZMl>
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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