[xquery-talk] Aggressivity and the Database Bubble WASRe: Linkedin humor for the weekend (2)

[daniela florescu]

And all this comes from a  person like me. I spent my ENTIRE CAREER working to see the back of the
relational databases…NoSQL if you want.

However, this can NOT be done by replacing the relational databases with a pile of bul***t.

They can only be replaced with something scientifically solid.

That’s why I am so virulent against stupidities in the NoSQL world:  the more they say such stupidities, the more
they delay the replacement of relational databases with something better.


Best regards
Dana





> On Jun 16, 2015, at 1:30 PM, daniela florescu <dflorescu at me.com> wrote:
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> First, the fact that there EXISTS a “Technical level” section in this blog is fundamental.
> (and yes, I am a fan of Kellogg’s blogs, too, even if I don’t agree with him always).
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> First, at that time, technical considerations STILL EXISTED.
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> E.g. could one of you tell me the technical detail implementations between CouchDB and MongoDB  !?
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> Huh !? They are both just quickly put together hacks, without any architecture….and no-one, including their own engineers and their
> own customers CARES or even KNOWS about the technical details. Tons of my database friends went to work for Mongo and then left in 2-3 months
> screaming ….
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> (I wonder if you ask the average MongoDb “database” developer what a page locking is if you even get an answer…:-)
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> Second, yes, sure business wars always existed and will always exist. And it’s a good thing.
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> Trust me, working at Oracle for 8 years, I’ve seen my share of “business wars” and related strategies…...
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> But when Kellogg cites Geoffrey Moore’s “tornado’.
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> "The tornado refers to Geoffrey Moore’s <http://www.tcg-advisors.com/who/moore.htm> metaphor for the hypergrowth phase of a high-tech, infrastructure market.”
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> I agree that during such a “tornado”… the best is to acquire as many customers as possible.
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> But Moore refers to a REAL customer growth tornado, not an current ARTIFICIAL growth that is 100% due to the pressure from VCs 
> — they need to reimburse the money back to the pension funds they took it from in a fixed interval of X years.
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> I am 100% convinced that this “database bubble” is artificially inflated by VCs billions poured in. More and more articles by Forbes show that —
> enterprises play with the new solutions, but few actually deploy those solutions.
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> This is not only, as it was in the 80 and 90, only a matter of who has the best sales team, and gets the EXISTING projects. (and yes, Oracle did..)
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> This artificial bubble pushes  vendors to become idiot zombies:  create “customers" out thin air,  bullshiting the few who are open to buy new things into 
> believing in aliens, and completely treat them like idiots by ignoring the state of the art.
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> This is not a case of Moore’s tornado.
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> One more day passed… one more day closer to the death of this database bubble… :-)
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> Have a great day,
> Dana
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>> On Jun 16, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Ihe Onwuka <ihe.onwuka at gmail.com <mailto:ihe.onwuka at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Remember Ingres. Here is the story of what Oracle did to them. 
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>> http://kellblog.com/2006/04/08/ingres-can-you-ever-go-back/ <http://kellblog.com/2006/04/08/ingres-can-you-ever-go-back/>
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>> Undoubtedly you can parse the engineering considerations better than I (see At a product level) but pay attention to what is said in "At the business level" and in particular the reference to failing to understand the tornado.
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>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:26 PM, daniela florescu <dflorescu at me.com <mailto:dflorescu at me.com>> wrote:
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>> Michael,
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>> believe it or not, I think it got worse since the days of Larry Ellison (as bas and aggressive as it was… :-)
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>> The first generation of databases grew organically, with their customer base … they were busy fighting SPLITTING an exiting market
>> which was naturally growing. Those databases were DB2(IBM), Oracle, SQL Sever. None of them had a VC behind it….
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>> The new generation of databases (Cloudera, DataStax, Mongo. CouchDB. MarkLogic…etc) are NOT growing organically.
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>> They are all financed by Venture Capitalists. They all took between 100M and 200M, sometimes more,  investment money from VCs.
>> (And I can tell you, lending money from VCs is worse then lending money from the mafia….. if you don’t give it back… they’ll find you ….)
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>> A VC naturally wants his investment returned 50X (or whatever X they want) in a fixed amount of time (2-5 years, or whatever).  This is how VC world works.
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>> So…. this new generation of databases, being financed by VCs,  CANNOT grow naturally and organically with the market…..
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>> Their growth speed is imposed by the VCs, and not by the market growth.
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>> They have to pull customers out of their a..s. They have to create artificial customers.
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>> They have to go to each other’s throat for the meager number of customers.
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>> Hence the general hysteria.
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>> Hence all the horrible things that happens right now in the “database” industry, marketing screams all over the place, idiotic marketing messages
>> (scale to the level of the “universe”..), bogus benchmarks, query languages that don’t NEED a specification, proprietary syntaxes to cover an existing standard
>> — because a standard would reduce the value of the company— bullying every single blogger in the industry to say what you want, physically
>> abusing people who dare to say something else, bribing of officials of all kinds…..
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>> Gold rush, here we come again.
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>> Science ( temporarely I hope ), left this field.
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>> How good a product is irrelevant right now. You can see that by watching the amount of money spent by this generation of databases in marketing and sales vs. engineering.
>> Usually it’s 10X. This was not true for Oracle, even if they did spend a large amount on sales.
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>> My hope is that when the database bubble will crash, soon, VCs will finally get disappointed, and finally move away to another field, like locusts, so
>> we can come back and bring some scientific interest into this field.
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>> But, yeah, I’ve never seen ANYTHING like what’s going on right now with the database companies in Sillicon Valley…..
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>> Best
>> Dana
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